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Amandin Adouin	Posted - 2008.07.23 20:50:00 - [1] /brings the whips and chains. p.s. Even though I just recently started I know enough that A/Cs & Artillery need some help... just wanted to add my voice to the call for reform.
Amandin Adouin	Posted - 2008.07.25 16:23:00 - [2] Edited by: Amandin Adouin on 25/07/2008 16:24:02 Rather than going back and forth about it until eternity, someone should go through this whole thread and write up a concise, grammatically correct summary of the issues, arguments and possible solutions (from all corners). Then this summary should be presented to a CSM and posted into the Features/Development forum. Anyone want to volunteer?
Amandin Adouin	Posted - 2008.07.25 18:28:00 - [3] Originally by: AstroPhobic Not enough of the thread, obviously. Please start at page one and go go go! cracks whip
Amandin Adouin	Posted - 2008.07.28 21:24:00 - [4] Originally by: AstroPhobic It arises from the dead! So tell me, how many people have stopped training minmatar and moved on to another race? Alts included. I already have. To amarr, of course. I'm seriously considering it. btw I posted a link to this thread in the directed feedback thread that the Devs started on the Game Dev Forum - as my good deed for the day
Amandin Adouin	Posted - 2008.07.28 22:03:00 - [5] Originally by: AstroPhobic Thanks for the publicity Amanda. It always seems that minmatar is the minority here. No, thank you Astro... You three (you and Liang and Bozz) are the most helpful and knowledgeable (and funny! ) people I've seen here. I wish you guys were the ones doing the testing for CCP. Then maybe we wouldn't be in this damn mess. It was the least I could do.
Amandin Adouin	Posted - 2008.07.28 23:10:00 - [6] Originally by: AstroPhobic Though I feel it's been discussed to near death. What we really need is recognition, and you seem to be helping that along more than any of us. Kudos. I've actually been spending waaayyy too much time in the game and on the forums lately because well, let's just say Eve is helping me get through some pretty hard times. But if I really had the time and wherewithall to help, I would have taken a crack at writing up that summary of this whole thread, but ehhhh. Maybe if I get bored enough at work this week. I'd ask you guys look at it first though, as I'm completely unqualified to speak on the subject.
Amandin Adouin	Posted - 2008.07.29 12:46:00 - [7] Originally by: deadmeet I don't stop training minmatar because I really like this race ... but for the unique soul minmatar have (the pure minmatar players will understand me ^^). I totally know what you're saying That's been my reason for wanting to doggedly stick it out with them also, even when every other race is better.
Amandin Adouin	Posted - 2008.07.30 00:28:00 - [8] They're going to change it back. Mark my words. Nozh already even mentioned it sorta kinda.
Amandin Adouin	Posted - 2008.07.30 00:33:00 - [9] Oops sorry for messing up your plan then. Let's keep the discussion going guys.
Amandin Adouin	Posted - 2008.07.30 01:35:00 - [10] Edited by: Amandin Adouin on 30/07/2008 01:41:42 Edited by: Amandin Adouin on 30/07/2008 01:38:18 I'm sorry but the sexy pirate masts just have to be mentioned, regardless of what you say. Also the Auto Cannons sound cool, they're still somewhat faster than other ships (for the time being), and they have soul . Also, being the jack of all trades, master of none race, Matari ships are great for people with ADD. Wait, why are we listing the positives of Matari ships? I think your thread would fill up faster by listing the weaknesses, not the strengths, lol. Also, I'm afraid that if a dev does misclick somehow and end up in our forum, that they'll see our sad little list of things Matari ships still have going for them and take those away too I'm counting five threads about Minmatar ships right now on this page and only one - no, wait, there's one other puny little thread w/no replies - so two threads about the damn Pilrim now. So I think that says it all. Nerf the Matari
Amandin Adouin	Posted - 2008.08.04 00:08:00 - [11] Edited by: Amandin Adouin on 04/08/2008 00:12:04 That's a cute idea Aleus, DOT classes have typically fared really well in all the MMOs I've played (Warlocks, anyone?). Although I won't pretend to know this game well enough yet to actually be able to judge how well something like that would work. I pretty much just know that Artillery and A/Cs are bad, and I know why... but I still have a lot to learn. So much that I feel bad even posting in these threads . Anyway, I think CCP is much more likely to attempt to fix broken mechanics, rather than introducing whole new ones. Not that they're even likely to fix them, but you know what I mean. I'm just glad that CCP has so many players who care about the game so much that they keep making these suggestions and having these discussions.
Amandin Adouin	Posted - 2008.08.04 00:52:00 - [12] Originally by: AstroPhobic Originally by: Amandin Adouin Edited by: Amandin Adouin on 04/08/2008 00:09:25 That's a cute idea Aleus, DOT classes have typically fared really well in all the MMOs I've played (Warlocks, anyone?). Although I won't pretend to know this game well enough yet to actually be able to judge how well something like that would work. I pretty much just know that Artillery and A/Cs are bad, and I know why... but I still have a lot to learn. However, I think CCP is much more likely to attempt to fix broken mechanics, rather than introducing whole new ones. Not that they're even likely to fix them, but you know what I mean. I could stop posting and have you take over by now. Aw shucks, thanks Astro. I have a complex about it, since I've only been playing since May and I don't really like to sound off on topics I don't know inside out. That's why I've been sticking to the off topic forum alot recently, where I can talk about things I'm more comfortable going off on about when I feel chatty. I think I've gotten a fairly good handle of what's going on in general, but alot of the practical stuff that only comes with time is missing. Btw, did you question that stuff in the other thread because of what Lyria said? I was alittle confused about it
Amandin Adouin	Posted - 2008.08.04 01:43:00 - [13] Edited by: Amandin Adouin on 04/08/2008 01:43:29 Originally by: AstroPhobic Lyria says stuff in almost every thread that I question, so you'll have to be a little more specific I was trying to be vague - I meant the post about my gender.
Amandin Adouin	Posted - 2008.08.04 02:18:00 - [14] Originally by: AstroPhobic I adhere to the strict "proof or STFU" policy, lol, I can understand why considering all the kiddies and weirdos out here (believe me... I've talked to them) Originally by: AstroPhobic although your femininity shows through your posts. ^,- Originally by: AstroPhobic Doesn't always make you female. Yeah I know. I guess the only way to really know is teampspeak/voice chat. Maybe someday I'll leave the newbie corp. Anyway I'm sorry about derailing your topic. It just bugged me.
Amandin Adouin	Posted - 2008.08.04 02:38:00 - [15] Edited by: Amandin Adouin on 04/08/2008 02:40:08 Originally by: AstroPhobic It doesn't really matter to me anyway; you're not people but rather avatars representing the ideas of the people. Female, male, whatever. Not sure I'd want to pick up any chicks on an online MMO anyway. (Though a few years back I was in this alliance... ) Exactly. I was just confused by that one post and wanted to see what happened. Originally by: AstroPhobic Anyway buff minmatar/projectiles/battleships/capitals/allships/make them all vertical/postcount +1 Quoted for truth /back on topic
Amandin Adouin	Posted - 2008.08.04 03:21:00 - [16] Originally by: Aleus Stygian It's just that I find the act of calling anyone who's bound to be playing a game like EVE cute... ...cute just does not seem an... appropriate adjective. Well, not anywhere this side of Hell anyway. Speak for yourself I actually know two (I know TWO!) girls who play Eve - and neither of them is what you might expect (if you're imagining those geeky type girls w/no social skills and no hope ). Anyway I'm sorry - I just HAD to respond to that one . The lateness of the hour is making me saucy ^,^ .
Amandin Adouin	Posted - 2008.08.04 03:33:00 - [17] Edited by: Amandin Adouin on 04/08/2008 03:34:40 Originally by: Aleus Stygian Well, if either of them lives in Sweden or Stockholm, feel free to tell them to call me up. Then we'll see who's surprised. For now though, I think I'll contend myself with adding you to my addressbook. It's good to have someone cute to chuckle at from time to time... jaavla fitz svett! yeah... I'm horrible I know. My cousin lives in Upplands Vasby and I'm Finnish (but I live in Florida). Sweden is one of the best countries in the world (but Finland is better). I feel horrible about what's happened to this thread. I guess page 35 can just be bad.
Amandin Adouin	Posted - 2008.08.04 03:45:00 - [18] Edited by: Amandin Adouin on 04/08/2008 03:45:12 Originally by: Aleus Stygian Funny. I know a Floridan who lives in Upplands VSsby. I mean, besides a lot of people in Florida. That's weird, it's not exactly a large city. Is her name Johanna? Wife of Micke Mouse?
Amandin Adouin	Posted - 2008.08.04 03:51:00 - [19] Originally by: Aleus Stygian Nah. His name is Stephen. That would have been too weird. Anyway I've enjoyed this little discussion, but it's late and I have to head off to bed. Good night guys.
Amandin Adouin	Posted - 2008.08.04 03:54:00 - [20] Originally by: AstroPhobic Guys? How do you know I'm not some lesbian female with a male character? psshaw, you're obviously a guy .
Amandin Adouin	Posted - 2008.08.04 22:04:00 - [21] Edited by: Amandin Adouin on 04/08/2008 22:04:57 lol, Hello Kitty? This thread is becoming the place to chat about everything and anything. Everyone's doing it . Speaking of everyone, where's Boz Well? I haven't seen him around too much lately. I feel like the party isn't complete . While you've been discussing Hello Kitty sails over here, I've been busy arguing about the fate of democracy as a whole over in the off topic forum . This seems a bit backward. Isn't the off topic forum supposed to be where you go to relax and shoot the shit after discussing important Eve issues in the ship forum?
Amandin Adouin	Posted - 2008.08.04 22:11:00 - [22] Originally by: Cpt Branko Also, wb to this thread, we missed you. Thank you . I needed to hear something nice after my crappy day at work. hug
Amandin Adouin	Posted - 2008.08.04 23:11:00 - [23] yay Boz is back! /hug boz Originally by: Aleus Stygian Cute? Democracy?! Are you consciously choosing these standpoints? wtf is that supposed to mean?
Amandin Adouin	Posted - 2008.08.05 19:20:00 - [24] Edited by: Amandin Adouin on 05/08/2008 19:20:37 Originally by: Lyria Skydancer I haz common sense unlike some in here. lol, now I've heard everything. You're the only one lacking common sense here Lyria - but you're very entertaining :) Keep it coming!
Amandin Adouin	Posted - 2008.08.05 20:25:00 - [25] Edited by: Amandin Adouin on 05/08/2008 20:29:50 Good job Liang :) (for getting everyone on topic) Edit: Also, I think having Lyria around to argue with helped the thread count immeasurably
Amandin Adouin	Posted - 2008.08.05 22:41:00 - [26] Edited by: Amandin Adouin on 05/08/2008 22:42:00 While I like the idea of the fall-off enhancing mods that's just another slot we have give just to be competitive, and we don't really have that many to spare because of the schizo layouts of our ships. /quick off topic note. If anyone remembers me mentioning a little argument I had with with a bestialist (animal lover)... I bid you to look at said person's newest post for a quick laugh :) If my link doesn't work, just see the third to last post in my posting history. dronelove.
Amandin Adouin	Posted - 2008.08.05 22:44:00 - [27] Edited by: Amandin Adouin on 05/08/2008 22:45:26 Did you go see it?!!! That one was actually for you Boz, as I didn't mention that little debate to anyone else. The funniest thing is no one thought I was kidding.
Amandin Adouin	Posted - 2008.08.05 22:48:00 - [28] Edited by: Amandin Adouin on 05/08/2008 23:07:44 I'm so glad you're back to posting =) Edit: Removed the curse words because of possible offensiveness. ;)
Amandin Adouin	Posted - 2008.08.07 16:52:00 - [29] Edited by: Amandin Adouin on 07/08/2008 16:51:59 Originally by: Boz Well Just in time, I was starting to get offended there. Pfft. I'm more afraid of offending Liang. I hear there's some type of Batman connection going on Originally by: Transmaniacon stuff Wow that's a lot of skill points just to make Minnie ships as good as others. Edit: quote problems
Amandin Adouin Minmatar	Posted - 2008.08.12 17:44:00 - [30] Edited by: Amandin Adouin on 12/08/2008 17:46:16 Because it's a huge issue that alot of people care about? Maybe everyone doesn't want to train Amarr. Personally, I don't want to. So I guess this is the only other way to go about it.
Amandin Adouin Minmatar	Posted - 2008.08.12 21:46:00 - [31] I think it sounds somewhat promising. I really have faith in them to not let this go through as is. Those crazy Nordic people are usually at least somewhat rational.
Amandin Adouin Minmatar	Posted - 2008.08.12 22:11:00 - [32] Originally by: Cpt Branko Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Originally by: Cpt Branko I just hope they fix the totally murdered agilities of Minmatar ships next. That won't happen. I base this on nothing. So Minmatar BS agility should be worse then everyone else bar Amarr now? Seriously, we need lighter duct tape. According to the mini-dev journal, they're specifically looking into fixing agility back in some way: "The agility values are also slightly off. They were rebalanced with regard to MWD mass addition, which closed the gaps between ship types, removing uniqueness a bit. This will be fixed, also we're looking at boosting some ship classes in regards of agility." Haha I thought you meant duct tape for Lyria. I was thinking why lighter?
Amandin Adouin Minmatar	Posted - 2008.08.13 04:13:00 - [33] Edited by: Amandin Adouin on 13/08/2008 04:13:29 Originally by: EpicFailTroll Great victory for the Minmatar Republic: removal of the MWD deactivation, thanks to the complains! Now, it wouldve been terrible that most people went and fit ABs, giving great advantage to minmatar ships in dogfights due to superior speed and non- +500% sig? So lets remove MWD delay so everybody fits MWD again, and forces minmatar to do so, dogfighting in ducttape ships with humongous sigs. Great going guys! I bet no one has ever told you how much your name suits you.
Amandin Adouin Minmatar	Posted - 2008.08.13 04:24:00 - [34] You're oversimplifying the issue. There are more variables at play here than just speed. It's late though and I need to head off to bed, so I'm sorry I can't continue this discussion, maybe Liang or someone else who's still up can set you set you straight.
Amandin Adouin Minmatar	Posted - 2008.09.01 17:26:00 - [35] Edited by: Amandin Adouin on 01/09/2008 17:26:44 Yeah, Liang is so not doing this solo! There's literally um, many, of us
Amandin Adouin Minmatar	Posted - 2008.09.01 18:09:00 - [36] Originally by: Liang Nuren Originally by: Gai Servos Minmatar will just die a slow agonizing death while veryone is training for other races. Nope. I won't let it happen. -Liang <3

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